Just saying don't throw out the Common-JS sub-system with the bathwater.
The problem with ES6 modules (imo) is it does not support sync loading of dynamic imports, so you have to figure out how to handle the Promise."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_galaxyLogic","story_50019911"],"author":"galaxyLogic","comment_text":"I'm also happy using Common-JS syntax on the Node.js. In the odd case that both the client (browser) and the server (Node.js) should run the same code, it can easily be accomplished with minimal amount of code-duplication. And such code-duplication can actually be good reducing the number of dependencies that could break in some future version of the software.
Just saying don't throw out the Common-JS sub-system with the bathwater.
The problem with ES6 modules (imo) is it does not support sync loading of dynamic imports, so you have to figure out how to handle the Promise.","created_at":"2026-10-15T00:11:44Z","created_at_i":1792023104,"objectID":"50097442","parent_id":50054323,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-15T00:16:59Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"mahboi"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The reason is if you have a small script as a single js file and don't want a separate package file and build step. The given example was ^5, same effort as =5. I guess you can also import different versions in different files?"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_mahboi","story_50019911"],"author":"mahboi","comment_text":"The reason is if you have a small script as a single js file and don't want a separate package file and build step. The given example was ^5, same effort as =5. I guess you can also import different versions in different files?","created_at":"2026-10-14T23:03:25Z","created_at_i":1792019005,"objectID":"50096779","parent_id":50083227,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-14T23:07:01Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"cscheid"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"(Sorry I missed your message for a few days). The short answer is "the GUI part of the stack doesn't exist": it's a cli tool (https://quarto.org). We have VS code integrations and other tooling support, but not built on deno."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_cscheid","story_50019911"],"author":"cscheid","comment_text":"(Sorry I missed your message for a few days). The short answer is "the GUI part of the stack doesn't exist": it's a cli tool (https://quarto.org). We have VS code integrations and other tooling support, but not built on deno.","created_at":"2026-10-14T18:37:59Z","created_at_i":1792003079,"objectID":"50092740","parent_id":50029166,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-14T18:42:30Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"otabdeveloper4"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"> You can pin versions.
You can, but you won't. Let's be real for a second now - the only reason you use this feature is because you can't be bothered to use a real package manager that pins versions."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_otabdeveloper4","story_50019911"],"author":"otabdeveloper4","children":[50096779],"comment_text":"> You can pin versions.
You can, but you won't. Let's be real for a second now - the only reason you use this feature is because you can't be bothered to use a real package manager that pins versions.","created_at":"2026-10-14T06:28:23Z","created_at_i":1791959303,"objectID":"50083227","parent_id":50062890,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-14T23:04:14Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"NetOpWibby"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Update, I'm doing a fork: https://ende.sh"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_NetOpWibby","story_50019911"],"author":"NetOpWibby","comment_text":"Update, I'm doing a fork: https://ende.sh","created_at":"2026-10-13T18:36:40Z","created_at_i":1791916600,"objectID":"50076483","parent_id":50034246,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-13T18:41:27Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"indexzero"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"I don't often post on the orange website. But this news was enough to make me want to say congratulations, friend.
Looking back now after almost 20 years (Nov 2009 to now for me), I can see the arc from what node was then to what celld can be now as your thinking has evolved
A distributed operating system running in userspace is the primitive that can break apart the siloing that has become the default across the walled gardens we all operate in
All the best in what's to come"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_indexzero","story_50019911"],"author":"indexzero","comment_text":"I don't often post on the orange website. But this news was enough to make me want to say congratulations, friend.
Looking back now after almost 20 years (Nov 2009 to now for me), I can see the arc from what node was then to what celld can be now as your thinking has evolved
A distributed operating system running in userspace is the primitive that can break apart the siloing that has become the default across the walled gardens we all operate in
All the best in what's to come","created_at":"2026-10-13T17:51:56Z","created_at_i":1791913916,"objectID":"50075791","parent_id":50023277,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-13T17:54:12Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"petercooper"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"To be fair, Deno and Bun's enhancements seemed to do a lot to set a fire under Node and have it implement various things it didn't have when both projects launched. This is a good thing."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_petercooper","story_50019911"],"author":"petercooper","comment_text":"To be fair, Deno and Bun's enhancements seemed to do a lot to set a fire under Node and have it implement various things it didn't have when both projects launched. This is a good thing.","created_at":"2026-10-13T16:07:41Z","created_at_i":1791907661,"objectID":"50073964","parent_id":50034246,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-13T20:21:14Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"lenkite"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Yes, flutter.dev is owned by Google. You can at-least have reasonable belief in the Android figures even if don't trust the iOS one due to conflict of interest."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_lenkite","story_50019911"],"author":"lenkite","comment_text":"Yes, flutter.dev is owned by Google. You can at-least have reasonable belief in the Android figures even if don't trust the iOS one due to conflict of interest.","created_at":"2026-10-13T10:31:19Z","created_at_i":1791887479,"objectID":"50069534","parent_id":50054231,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-13T10:33:09Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"mahboi"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"You can pin versions. If you aren't, you have the same issue with regular npm."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_mahboi","story_50019911"],"author":"mahboi","children":[50083227],"comment_text":"You can pin versions. If you aren't, you have the same issue with regular npm.","created_at":"2026-10-12T20:50:33Z","created_at_i":1791838233,"objectID":"50062890","parent_id":50034222,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-14T06:29:12Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"serhalp"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"If your question is whether Netlify had a heads up about Cloudflare's Deno acquisition and EOL, no, not as far as I'm aware."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_serhalp","story_50019911"],"author":"serhalp","comment_text":"If your question is whether Netlify had a heads up about Cloudflare's Deno acquisition and EOL, no, not as far as I'm aware.","created_at":"2026-10-12T19:09:29Z","created_at_i":1791832169,"objectID":"50061297","parent_id":50033184,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-12T19:10:08Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"vrighter"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"choice is sometimes not a good thing. This is just fragmentation for fragmentations' sake, imo. The bun team could have contributed to node. The deno team could have too (once they did a 180 and decided deno would be node compatible). Instead we have a de-facto standard with a bunch of subtly incompatible implementations."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_vrighter","story_50019911"],"author":"vrighter","children":[50097442],"comment_text":"choice is sometimes not a good thing. This is just fragmentation for fragmentations' sake, imo. The bun team could have contributed to node. The deno team could have too (once they did a 180 and decided deno would be node compatible). Instead we have a de-facto standard with a bunch of subtly incompatible implementations.","created_at":"2026-10-12T10:34:01Z","created_at_i":1791801241,"objectID":"50054323","parent_id":50025572,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-15T00:12:29Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"vrighter"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"so they literally bought it just to kill it?"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_vrighter","story_50019911"],"author":"vrighter","comment_text":"so they literally bought it just to kill it?","created_at":"2026-10-12T10:31:13Z","created_at_i":1791801073,"objectID":"50054292","parent_id":50020072,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-12T10:36:06Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"coldtea"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"So Flutter.dev's stats say flutter is winning?"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_coldtea","story_50019911"],"author":"coldtea","children":[50069534],"comment_text":"So Flutter.dev's stats say flutter is winning?","created_at":"2026-10-12T10:24:05Z","created_at_i":1791800645,"objectID":"50054231","parent_id":50046031,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-13T10:32:10Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"coldtea"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Sounds like the most green and easily manipulated by hype professor ever!
If he had some experience he'd seen dozens of technologies that were "the future" being thrown away to the dustbin, not even getting any real adoption."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_coldtea","story_50019911"],"author":"coldtea","comment_text":"Sounds like the most green and easily manipulated by hype professor ever!
If he had some experience he'd seen dozens of technologies that were "the future" being thrown away to the dustbin, not even getting any real adoption.","created_at":"2026-10-12T10:22:18Z","created_at_i":1791800538,"objectID":"50054213","parent_id":50025994,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-12T10:25:52Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"kentonv"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Hmm.
So, obviously it was a blog post about business strategy and not technical architecture. Maybe that's disappointing when people expect me to talk tech.
But I sort of thought the direct argument for open source and against lock-in as a business strategy would please the technical audience.
My role hasn't changed. I have always been simultaneously writing code, designing technical architecture, and also influencing product/business strategy. This particular piece of strategy is one I advocated and won support for, which is why I wrote the post."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_kentonv","story_50019911"],"author":"kentonv","comment_text":"Hmm.
So, obviously it was a blog post about business strategy and not technical architecture. Maybe that's disappointing when people expect me to talk tech.
But I sort of thought the direct argument for open source and against lock-in as a business strategy would please the technical audience.
My role hasn't changed. I have always been simultaneously writing code, designing technical architecture, and also influencing product/business strategy. This particular piece of strategy is one I advocated and won support for, which is why I wrote the post.","created_at":"2026-10-11T19:59:08Z","created_at_i":1791748748,"objectID":"50047193","parent_id":50044227,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-11T20:35:07Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"mlhaufe"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The didn't forget. JavaScript had them as a Firefox extension but dropped them due to incompatibility in the standard:
https://esdiscuss.org/topic/a-reprieve-for-es6-comprehension..."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_mlhaufe","story_50019911"],"author":"mlhaufe","comment_text":"The didn't forget. JavaScript had them as a Firefox extension but dropped them due to incompatibility in the standard:
https://esdiscuss.org/topic/a-reprieve-for-es6-comprehension...","created_at":"2026-10-11T19:29:11Z","created_at_i":1791746951,"objectID":"50046921","parent_id":50042301,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-11T19:34:09Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"lenkite"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://flutter.dev/blog/dart-flutter-momentum-at-google-i-o...
Earlier metric in late 2024 shows 28%
https://flutter.dev/development/ios"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_lenkite","story_50019911"],"author":"lenkite","children":[50054231],"comment_text":"https://flutter.dev/blog/dart-flutter-momentum-at-google-i-o...
Earlier metric in late 2024 shows 28%
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I wouldn't want a shell script to have side effects aside from its desired function.
On top of that, I wouldn't want a shell script that is being used for some task to have a runtime dependency on Internet connectivity, a registry being up, and/or the chance that a version of a dependency that is used is dependent upon when the artifact was first run."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_insaneirish","story_50019911"],"author":"insaneirish","comment_text":"It's not just about trust.
I wouldn't want a shell script to have side effects aside from its desired function.
On top of that, I wouldn't want a shell script that is being used for some task to have a runtime dependency on Internet connectivity, a registry being up, and/or the chance that a version of a dependency that is used is dependent upon when the artifact was first run.","created_at":"2026-10-11T17:03:58Z","created_at_i":1791738238,"objectID":"50045338","parent_id":50030182,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-11T17:07:19Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"rochacon"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"I'm still learning the project, but from what I read so far, there is no need.\n`celld` is not tied to Deno. `celld` handles the interface with v8 directly via `rusty_v8`, which they mention will keep being supported. So, Node, Deno and celld all share the same engine already.
What we will probably see in the next few months is a major version of `workerd` which is a rebranded celld with better Cloudflare support. And then a bunch of improvements in further versions. \nWhile I think `celld` is a nicer name it makes sense to keep the official Cloudflare product/solution as `workerd`.
I hope the developer experience gets closer to Deno, I'm no fan of setting up all the required Node tooling for proper TypeScript support. I really like Deno. RIP"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Cloudflare acquires Deno"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare"}},"_tags":["comment","author_rochacon","story_50019911"],"author":"rochacon","comment_text":"I'm still learning the project, but from what I read so far, there is no need.\n`celld` is not tied to Deno. `celld` handles the interface with v8 directly via `rusty_v8`, which they mention will keep being supported. So, Node, Deno and celld all share the same engine already.
What we will probably see in the next few months is a major version of `workerd` which is a rebranded celld with better Cloudflare support. And then a bunch of improvements in further versions. \nWhile I think `celld` is a nicer name it makes sense to keep the official Cloudflare product/solution as `workerd`.
I hope the developer experience gets closer to Deno, I'm no fan of setting up all the required Node tooling for proper TypeScript support. I really like Deno. RIP","created_at":"2026-10-11T16:37:20Z","created_at_i":1791736640,"objectID":"50045041","parent_id":50025654,"story_id":50019911,"story_title":"Cloudflare acquires Deno","story_url":"https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare","updated_at":"2026-10-15T00:05:33Z"}],"hitsPerPage":20,"nbHits":727,"nbPages":37,"page":0,"params":"tags=story_50019911&advancedSyntax=true&analyticsTags=backend","processingTimeMS":1,"processingTimingsMS":{"_request":{"queue":47,"roundTrip":14},"total":1},"query":"","serverTimeMS":49}