Does this kind of software still have value? If so, what\u2019s their value?
Companies like Copy.ai basically are just wrappers on top of GPT models. Their value was the UI where the users can write and save their articles. But you can do all this with OpenAI for free now.
How can the AI writing services, like Copy.ai, compete with OpenAI?"},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: Can AI writing services compete with ChatGPT?"}},"_tags":["story","author_codermind","story_35984126","ask_hn"],"author":"codermind","created_at":"2023-05-18T04:29:24Z","created_at_i":1684384164,"num_comments":0,"objectID":"35984126","points":2,"story_id":35984126,"story_text":"I know there are a lot of AI writing services like Copy.ai, Grammarly, etc. They were doing quite well before ChatGPT came along. But people can use ChatGPT for free to help them write or correct their grammar.
Does this kind of software still have value? If so, what\u2019s their value?
Companies like Copy.ai basically are just wrappers on top of GPT models. Their value was the UI where the users can write and save their articles. But you can do all this with OpenAI for free now.
How can the AI writing services, like Copy.ai, compete with OpenAI?","title":"Ask HN: Can AI writing services compete with ChatGPT?","updated_at":"2024-09-20T14:06:32Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"BrennanWoodruff"},"story_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"We wanted to build an AI that enables anyone to be a creator. We think the best version of the future is one where humans partner with AI to take their own capabilities far beyond what's possible in a mutually exclusive world.
GoCharlie.ai is our first attempt at this, and focuses on creating optimized for engagement social media marketing content.
People are using it for SEO work, D2C Product Marketing Campaigns, and getting rid of writers block when starting from an image.
We're different from Jasper and Copy.ai as we are starting with going across media modalities from the start, and we develop our own AI models.
Let us know what you think!"},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: Charlie \u2013 A AI Puppy That Writes Pawesome Content"},"url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://gocharlie.ai/"}},"_tags":["story","author_BrennanWoodruff","story_32121687","show_hn"],"author":"BrennanWoodruff","created_at":"2022-07-16T20:31:56Z","created_at_i":1658003516,"num_comments":0,"objectID":"32121687","points":2,"story_id":32121687,"story_text":"We wanted to build an AI that enables anyone to be a creator. We think the best version of the future is one where humans partner with AI to take their own capabilities far beyond what's possible in a mutually exclusive world.
GoCharlie.ai is our first attempt at this, and focuses on creating optimized for engagement social media marketing content.
People are using it for SEO work, D2C Product Marketing Campaigns, and getting rid of writers block when starting from an image.
We're different from Jasper and Copy.ai as we are starting with going across media modalities from the start, and we develop our own AI models.
Let us know what you think!","title":"Show HN: Charlie \u2013 A AI Puppy That Writes Pawesome Content","updated_at":"2024-09-20T11:35:05Z","url":"https://gocharlie.ai/"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"illyism"},"story_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"Hope you're having a nice start of the weekend!
So, I've been looking around for better AI writing tools for my content. I don't have the budget right now to hire full on writers (if you have recommendations, let me know).
I tried Jasper AI[1] and I gotta say, it's pretty solid for cranking out long-form content swiftly. It listens to my prompts nicely and helps in drafting blog posts and stuff.
I was one of the first people to buy Copy.ai[2], a good place if you're looking to generate marketing copies for ads, emails, and whatnot, quite user-friendly for short-form content. But it was based off GPT-3 I believe, so quite old.
I also tried Reword, it's really good, the trial is nice, it works well, but then they hit you with a $2000+ for writing articles in bulk. What the hell? Who can afford that? haha. I'm not paying that for their AI-quality. Just insanely overpriced.
So I just settled to writing my own content via Perplexity AI[3], dropping it into ChatGPT Plus to refine it. Adding images via MidJourney. Doing a lot of correcting manually by adding bold text, rewriting to lists, removing all the bullshit it writes. It takes 4-6 hours for a good blog post to get it to a high quality. But it works so well!
One tool, I saw mentioned on Twitter was WrittenLabs[4]. It writes full blog posts (you can input your OpenAI API key) based on the keywords you input. For example I entered "mercedes benz w111" and then 4-5 variations and so on.
I used it to write a guest post for a Mercedes blog[5] for a client [6], I saw their guest post prices on a marketplace, but I looked up the guy's phone number, cold called him in Romania, negotiated a price via WhatsApp and he published it on the front page for 25% of the price + posted it on his Facebook page of 30k members haha.
So any tools you can recommended? What is your workflow? Do you think it's worth it to find a tool or should I just hire a content team?"},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: What AI writing tool do you use for blog posts?"}},"_tags":["story","author_illyism","story_37532629","ask_hn"],"author":"illyism","children":[37532640,37533314,37534692],"created_at":"2023-09-16T07:03:42Z","created_at_i":1694847822,"num_comments":3,"objectID":"37532629","points":1,"story_id":37532629,"story_text":"Hope you're having a nice start of the weekend!
So, I've been looking around for better AI writing tools for my content. I don't have the budget right now to hire full on writers (if you have recommendations, let me know).
I tried Jasper AI[1] and I gotta say, it's pretty solid for cranking out long-form content swiftly. It listens to my prompts nicely and helps in drafting blog posts and stuff.
I was one of the first people to buy Copy.ai[2], a good place if you're looking to generate marketing copies for ads, emails, and whatnot, quite user-friendly for short-form content. But it was based off GPT-3 I believe, so quite old.
I also tried Reword, it's really good, the trial is nice, it works well, but then they hit you with a $2000+ for writing articles in bulk. What the hell? Who can afford that? haha. I'm not paying that for their AI-quality. Just insanely overpriced.
So I just settled to writing my own content via Perplexity AI[3], dropping it into ChatGPT Plus to refine it. Adding images via MidJourney. Doing a lot of correcting manually by adding bold text, rewriting to lists, removing all the bullshit it writes. It takes 4-6 hours for a good blog post to get it to a high quality. But it works so well!
One tool, I saw mentioned on Twitter was WrittenLabs[4]. It writes full blog posts (you can input your OpenAI API key) based on the keywords you input. For example I entered "mercedes benz w111" and then 4-5 variations and so on.
I used it to write a guest post for a Mercedes blog[5] for a client [6], I saw their guest post prices on a marketplace, but I looked up the guy's phone number, cold called him in Romania, negotiated a price via WhatsApp and he published it on the front page for 25% of the price + posted it on his Facebook page of 30k members haha.
So any tools you can recommended? What is your workflow? Do you think it's worth it to find a tool or should I just hire a content team?","title":"Ask HN: What AI writing tool do you use for blog posts?","updated_at":"2024-09-20T15:10:01Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"chany2"},"story_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"SaaS is Unbundling ChatGPT in waves
Here is the 1st wave:
Unbundling Excel
First Wave Excel Use-Cases \u2192 SaaS Companies
Invoices: FreshBooks and Jobber replaced the classic invoice template in Excel, making billing easier for freelancers and SMBs.
CRM: Salesforce and HubSpot turned basic contact tracking spreadsheets into super powerful sales and relationship management platforms.
Project Management: Asana and Monday .com came from Gantt charts and task lists in Excel to project management tools.
Unbundling ChatGPT
First Wave ChatGPT Use-Cases \u2192 SaaS Companies
Customer Support: Intercom Fin and Gorgias took the basic Q&A chatbot use-case from ChatGPT and packaged it into a 24/7, always-on, AI-customer support.
Content Creation: Jasper and Copy .ai wrapped around ChatGPT\u2019s content-writing capability into dedicated features to create blogs, email writing, and marketing copy.
Data Analysis: Humata and Glean use AI to analyze documents and summarize trends, replacing manual data review.
The 2nd wave:
Second Wave Excel Examples
Industry-specific SaaS: Sandbox (childcare management), Swept (janitorial services), and Little Hotelier (boutique hotel scheduling) are examples of SaaS that go far beyond basic spreadsheets and into tailored features for niche markets.
No-Code / Low-Code Platforms: Airtable and Coda let people build interactive databases and apps, something Excel users never dream of doing.
Second Wave ChatGPT Examples
Industry-specific Copilots: AI \u201ccopilots\u201d for legal, healthcare, finance, and construction that answer questions, handle compliance, and automate routine operational workflows.
AI Chief of Staff: AI that reads every document, data point, update, and conversation across an organization, then delegates tasks and keeps everyone aligned from the top down.
AI Voicemail & Communication: AI tools that handle, transcribe, summarize, and respond to voicemails and calls."},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Unbundling ChatGPT in Waves"}},"_tags":["story","author_chany2","story_44077731","ask_hn"],"author":"chany2","created_at":"2025-05-24T00:07:29Z","created_at_i":1748045249,"num_comments":0,"objectID":"44077731","points":1,"story_id":44077731,"story_text":"SaaS is Unbundling ChatGPT in waves
Here is the 1st wave:
Unbundling Excel
First Wave Excel Use-Cases \u2192 SaaS Companies
Invoices: FreshBooks and Jobber replaced the classic invoice template in Excel, making billing easier for freelancers and SMBs.
CRM: Salesforce and HubSpot turned basic contact tracking spreadsheets into super powerful sales and relationship management platforms.
Project Management: Asana and Monday .com came from Gantt charts and task lists in Excel to project management tools.
Unbundling ChatGPT
First Wave ChatGPT Use-Cases \u2192 SaaS Companies
Customer Support: Intercom Fin and Gorgias took the basic Q&A chatbot use-case from ChatGPT and packaged it into a 24/7, always-on, AI-customer support.
Content Creation: Jasper and Copy .ai wrapped around ChatGPT\u2019s content-writing capability into dedicated features to create blogs, email writing, and marketing copy.
Data Analysis: Humata and Glean use AI to analyze documents and summarize trends, replacing manual data review.
The 2nd wave:
Second Wave Excel Examples
Industry-specific SaaS: Sandbox (childcare management), Swept (janitorial services), and Little Hotelier (boutique hotel scheduling) are examples of SaaS that go far beyond basic spreadsheets and into tailored features for niche markets.
No-Code / Low-Code Platforms: Airtable and Coda let people build interactive databases and apps, something Excel users never dream of doing.
Second Wave ChatGPT Examples
Industry-specific Copilots: AI \u201ccopilots\u201d for legal, healthcare, finance, and construction that answer questions, handle compliance, and automate routine operational workflows.
AI Chief of Staff: AI that reads every document, data point, update, and conversation across an organization, then delegates tasks and keeps everyone aligned from the top down.
AI Voicemail & Communication: AI tools that handle, transcribe, summarize, and respond to voicemails and calls.","title":"Unbundling ChatGPT in Waves","updated_at":"2025-05-24T00:09:03Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"BlueDroidy"},"story_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"I think we have made the biggest mistake in creating an AI wrapper and calling it a start-up. Two years ago, when chatGPT wasn't in the news yet, we heard about OpenAI and learnt about Copy.ai and Jasper businesses from our friends who are in marketing, and we thought we could do the same and provide more features at a lower price. We ended up creating a business using OpenAI API to begin with and expanded to Dall-e, Midjourney, Hugging Face and Anthropic APIs, and we started providing services such as AI images, blogs, adverts, website summaries, etc. Since chatGPT came into the picture, there is very little left for people to pay for our services as most of the things can be done via chatGPT, and most of the people who have churned out have left feedback that they are using alternatives. What do you recommend? What course of action should we take? Is it worth continuing our exploration and attempting to offer services that chatGPT cannot provide such as connecting different things via our platform? Thanks."},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: Need suggestions for our product/business"}},"_tags":["story","author_BlueDroidy","story_37131639","ask_hn"],"author":"BlueDroidy","created_at":"2023-08-15T08:51:28Z","created_at_i":1692089488,"num_comments":0,"objectID":"37131639","points":1,"story_id":37131639,"story_text":"I think we have made the biggest mistake in creating an AI wrapper and calling it a start-up. Two years ago, when chatGPT wasn't in the news yet, we heard about OpenAI and learnt about Copy.ai and Jasper businesses from our friends who are in marketing, and we thought we could do the same and provide more features at a lower price. We ended up creating a business using OpenAI API to begin with and expanded to Dall-e, Midjourney, Hugging Face and Anthropic APIs, and we started providing services such as AI images, blogs, adverts, website summaries, etc. Since chatGPT came into the picture, there is very little left for people to pay for our services as most of the things can be done via chatGPT, and most of the people who have churned out have left feedback that they are using alternatives. What do you recommend? What course of action should we take? Is it worth continuing our exploration and attempting to offer services that chatGPT cannot provide such as connecting different things via our platform? Thanks.","title":"Ask HN: Need suggestions for our product/business","updated_at":"2024-09-20T14:48:31Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"IshKebab"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"They may have been vibe coding and not realised it was an exact copy. AI sometimes makes verbatim copies of things in its training set."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://twitter.com/mfts0/status/2070080422482977095"}},"_tags":["comment","author_IshKebab","story_48672328"],"author":"IshKebab","children":[48685176],"comment_text":"They may have been vibe coding and not realised it was an exact copy. AI sometimes makes verbatim copies of things in its training set.","created_at":"2026-06-26T07:23:53Z","created_at_i":1782458633,"objectID":"48683439","parent_id":48673085,"story_id":48672328,"story_title":"Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark","story_url":"https://twitter.com/mfts0/status/2070080422482977095","updated_at":"2026-06-26T20:47:12Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"riazrizvi"},"comment_text":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ppl don't understand Commercialization is not incidental to the Western system, it's why we beat out Communism. Commercialization incentivizes ppl to build, bc ownership and control.
The FSF was not an attack on commercialization, it was about giving users more freedom with their own copy.
AI commercialization is why we will always be a few steps ahead in AI.
The Chinese and Russians are free to join us. It's a pickup game."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://avkcode.github.io/blog/us-winning-ai-race.html"}},"_tags":["comment","author_riazrizvi","story_48121929"],"author":"riazrizvi","children":[48125961],"comment_text":"Ppl don't understand Commercialization is not incidental to the Western system, it's why we beat out Communism. Commercialization incentivizes ppl to build, bc ownership and control.
The FSF was not an attack on commercialization, it was about giving users more freedom with their own copy.
AI commercialization is why we will always be a few steps ahead in AI.
The Chinese and Russians are free to join us. It's a pickup game.","created_at":"2026-05-13T18:52:51Z","created_at_i":1778698371,"objectID":"48125894","parent_id":48121929,"story_id":48121929,"story_title":"The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization","story_url":"https://avkcode.github.io/blog/us-winning-ai-race.html","updated_at":"2026-05-13T23:28:07Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"pessimizer"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"Recordable CDs involved individuals making copies. AI is run by a couple of dozen people who give full access to other people's work, metered by the syllable.
It was never legal for massive corporations to record other people's work on CDs and sell them; that's the opposite of copyright. The comparison is absurd."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"European AI. A playbook to own it"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://europe.mistral.ai/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_pessimizer","story_47743700"],"author":"pessimizer","comment_text":"Recordable CDs involved individuals making copies. AI is run by a couple of dozen people who give full access to other people's work, metered by the syllable.
It was never legal for massive corporations to record other people's work on CDs and sell them; that's the opposite of copyright. The comparison is absurd.","created_at":"2026-04-12T22:19:32Z","created_at_i":1776032372,"objectID":"47745158","parent_id":47744883,"story_id":47743700,"story_title":"European AI. A playbook to own it","story_url":"https://europe.mistral.ai/","updated_at":"2026-04-13T16:15:18Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"nufai360"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"AI writing tools have improved rapidly over the past few years. Many bloggers, students, and marketers now use them to generate ideas, rewrite content, summarize research, and produce long-form articles.
In this guide, I reviewed 10 popular AI writing tools in 2026, including platforms like ChatGPT, Jasper AI, Writesonic, Copy.ai, Rytr, and others. The article compares their strengths, use cases, and whether they offer free versions.
The goal was to create a simple overview for anyone trying to decide which AI writing tool might fit their workflow."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"[dead]"}},"_tags":["comment","author_nufai360","story_47315003"],"author":"nufai360","comment_text":"AI writing tools have improved rapidly over the past few years. Many bloggers, students, and marketers now use them to generate ideas, rewrite content, summarize research, and produce long-form articles.
In this guide, I reviewed 10 popular AI writing tools in 2026, including platforms like ChatGPT, Jasper AI, Writesonic, Copy.ai, Rytr, and others. The article compares their strengths, use cases, and whether they offer free versions.
The goal was to create a simple overview for anyone trying to decide which AI writing tool might fit their workflow.","created_at":"2026-03-09T20:28:26Z","created_at_i":1773088106,"objectID":"47315004","parent_id":47315003,"story_id":47315003,"story_title":"[dead]","updated_at":"2026-03-09T20:29:14Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"WoWSaaS"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"We conducted a "Stress Test" comparing three distinct AI philosophies for 2025:
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Full comparison and cost analysis in the post."},"story_title":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["copy",".","ai"],"value":"Prompt Engineering Is a \"Hidden Tax\": ChatGPT vs. Copy.ai vs. Vertical Agents"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://blog.vect.pro/vect-vs-copy-ai"}},"_tags":["comment","author_WoWSaaS","story_46265609"],"author":"WoWSaaS","children":[46267477],"comment_text":"We conducted a "Stress Test" comparing three distinct AI philosophies for 2025:
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