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Just like that you got yourself something as capable as Tana's supertags\u2074.<p>\u00b9: <a href=\"https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/attributes.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/attributes.html</a>\n\u00b2: <a href=\"https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/day-notes.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/day-notes.html</a>\n\u00b3: <a href=\"https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/template.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://triliumnext.github.io/Docs/Wiki/template.html</a>\n\u2074: <a href=\"https://tana.inc/supertags\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/supertags</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ditching Obsidian and building my own"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://amberwilliams.io/blogs/building-my-own-pkms"}},"_tags":["comment","author_ezst","story_44022448"],"author":"ezst","comment_text":"Does Silverbullet support amending existing instances with the updated metadata when modifying the template? 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There already exists a vibrant community with things that extend Org-Roam itself. Not sure how this would be any better than that, yet I cheer and appreciate any interesting ideas on that front.<p>Also, briefly checked <a href=\"https://tana.inc\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em></a> - which inspired the package, chuckled at: &quot;The world's most powerful notes&quot;, and got the same question: &quot;How is it more 'powerful' than Logseq, Obsidian, Org-Roam?&quot;"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: Org-Supertag"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag"}},"_tags":["comment","author_iLemming","story_42558143"],"author":"iLemming","children":[42591040,42591480],"comment_text":"Looks like pretty much the same idea around Org-Roam, which is already well established set of packages. There already exists a vibrant community with things that extend Org-Roam itself. Not sure how this would be any better than that, yet I cheer and appreciate any interesting ideas on that front.<p>Also, briefly checked <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc</a> - which inspired the package, chuckled at: &quot;The world&#x27;s most powerful notes&quot;, and got the same question: &quot;How is it more &#x27;powerful&#x27; than Logseq, Obsidian, Org-Roam?&quot;","created_at":"2025-01-03T23:09:47Z","created_at_i":1735945787,"objectID":"42590463","parent_id":42558143,"story_id":42558143,"story_title":"Show HN: Org-Supertag","story_url":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag","updated_at":"2025-01-04T20:41:46Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"odinho"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"(Tana eng) That's not good!<p>Someone is looking into it now.<p>You can go through the back-door currently here: <a href=\"https://app.tana.inc/create-account\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://app.<em>tana.inc</em>/create-account</a> (currently requires credit card to get in directly, but you can cancel it directly after)."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: Org-Supertag"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag"}},"_tags":["comment","author_odinho","story_42558143"],"author":"odinho","comment_text":"(Tana eng) That&#x27;s not good!<p>Someone is looking into it now.<p>You can go through the back-door currently here: <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.tana.inc&#x2F;create-account\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.tana.inc&#x2F;create-account</a> (currently requires credit card to get in directly, but you can cancel it directly after).","created_at":"2025-01-03T20:34:52Z","created_at_i":1735936492,"objectID":"42589227","parent_id":42588703,"story_id":42558143,"story_title":"Show HN: Org-Supertag","story_url":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag","updated_at":"2025-01-03T22:27:12Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"dennisy"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"Looks great!<p>Would be interested to hear how people are getting on with Tana (<a href=\"https://tana.inc/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/</a>), the tool from which this idea was borrowed."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: Org-Supertag"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag"}},"_tags":["comment","author_dennisy","story_42558143"],"author":"dennisy","children":[42588703],"comment_text":"Looks great!<p>Would be interested to hear how people are getting on with Tana (<a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;</a>), the tool from which this idea was borrowed.","created_at":"2025-01-03T19:20:27Z","created_at_i":1735932027,"objectID":"42588635","parent_id":42558143,"story_id":42558143,"story_title":"Show HN: Org-Supertag","story_url":"https://github.com/yibie/org-supertag","updated_at":"2025-01-03T20:39:13Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Dyac"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"I think Tana can do this with the &quot;supertags&quot; feature.<p><a href=\"https://tana.inc/docs/supertags\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/docs/supertags</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan"}},"_tags":["comment","author_Dyac","story_42512713"],"author":"Dyac","comment_text":"I think Tana can do this with the &quot;supertags&quot; feature.<p><a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;docs&#x2F;supertags\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;docs&#x2F;supertags</a>","created_at":"2024-12-26T09:54:32Z","created_at_i":1735206872,"objectID":"42514198","parent_id":42514066,"story_id":42512713,"story_title":"Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software","story_url":"https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan","updated_at":"2024-12-26T14:09:42Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"CrypticShift"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"This is what I call an outliner-database hybrid. FYI, many note-taking apps are going in this direction.<p>- <em>Tana.inc</em> (closed alpha) introduced the concept of supertags [1], equivalent to what this app calls meta tags<p>- Remnote.com also added editable tables [2] to its outlines not long ago (only in the paid version).<p>- Logseq.com is planning such an addition soon.<p>It is a powerful combo because it combines two very primary ways of interacting with data: the tree (outliner) mode and the grid (table/DB) mode.<p>So for me, this could be an alternative to logseq as OSS/local. It seems promising, I hope it will continue to grow.<p>[1] <a href=\"https://tana.inc/docs/supertags\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/docs/supertags</a>\n[2] <a href=\"https://help.remnote.com/en/articles/8118336-tables\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https://help.remnote.com/en/articles/8118336-tables</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"A structured note-taking app for personal use"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/penxio/penx"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CrypticShift","story_38730979"],"author":"CrypticShift","children":[38733301],"comment_text":"This is what I call an outliner-database hybrid. FYI, many note-taking apps are going in this direction.<p>- Tana.inc (closed alpha) introduced the concept of supertags [1], equivalent to what this app calls meta tags<p>- Remnote.com also added editable tables [2] to its outlines not long ago (only in the paid version).<p>- Logseq.com is planning such an addition soon.<p>It is a powerful combo because it combines two very primary ways of interacting with data: the tree (outliner) mode and the grid (table&#x2F;DB) mode.<p>So for me, this could be an alternative to logseq as OSS&#x2F;local. It seems promising, I hope it will continue to grow.<p>[1] <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;docs&#x2F;supertags\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;docs&#x2F;supertags</a>\n[2] <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.remnote.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;articles&#x2F;8118336-tables\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.remnote.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;articles&#x2F;8118336-tables</a>","created_at":"2023-12-22T11:26:49Z","created_at_i":1703244409,"objectID":"38733168","parent_id":38730979,"story_id":38730979,"story_title":"A structured note-taking app for personal use","story_url":"https://github.com/penxio/penx","updated_at":"2024-09-20T15:58:46Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"silok"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"There is also a great in depth video on her Tana setup here:<p><a href=\"https://help.tana.inc/use-cases/tana-tour-with-maggie-appleton.html\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https://help.<em>tana.inc</em>/use-cases/tana-tour-with-maggie-applet...</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The Pattern Language of Project Xanadu"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://maggieappleton.com/xanadu-patterns"}},"_tags":["comment","author_silok","story_37197686"],"author":"silok","comment_text":"There is also a great in depth video on her Tana setup here:<p><a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.tana.inc&#x2F;use-cases&#x2F;tana-tour-with-maggie-appleton.html\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.tana.inc&#x2F;use-cases&#x2F;tana-tour-with-maggie-applet...</a>","created_at":"2023-08-21T13:54:49Z","created_at_i":1692626089,"objectID":"37209615","parent_id":37200089,"story_id":37197686,"story_title":"The Pattern Language of Project Xanadu","story_url":"https://maggieappleton.com/xanadu-patterns","updated_at":"2024-09-20T14:55:09Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"swah"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"I feel like this would integrate pretty well with Tana (<a href=\"http://app.tana.inc/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://app.<em>tana.inc</em>/</a>) - I mean they will probably have this in a few weeks/months..."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Grug Notes, A tool for text: simple, fast, self-organizing notes"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://grugnotes.com/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_swah","story_34843063"],"author":"swah","comment_text":"I feel like this would integrate pretty well with Tana (<a href=\"http:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.tana.inc&#x2F;\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.tana.inc&#x2F;</a>) - I mean they will probably have this in a few weeks&#x2F;months...","created_at":"2023-02-18T10:38:30Z","created_at_i":1676716710,"objectID":"34845795","parent_id":34843063,"story_id":34843063,"story_title":"Grug Notes, A tool for text: simple, fast, self-organizing notes","story_url":"https://grugnotes.com/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T13:24:11Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"CrypticShift"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"Look at <a href=\"https://tana.inc/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/</a>. It is still in early access preview (so no recurring tasks yet for exple), but it is more &quot;elegant&quot; in managing properties and queries."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: A note taking system recommendation request"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CrypticShift","story_34751023"],"author":"CrypticShift","comment_text":"Look at <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;</a>. It is still in early access preview (so no recurring tasks yet for exple), but it is more &quot;elegant&quot; in managing properties and queries.","created_at":"2023-02-11T15:38:36Z","created_at_i":1676129916,"objectID":"34753267","parent_id":34752222,"story_id":34751023,"story_title":"Ask HN: A note taking system recommendation request","updated_at":"2024-09-20T13:15:41Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"LunarAurora"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"I don't agree.<p>Academics (and &quot;Hackers&quot;/Visionaries) in every field are doing the same thing every day. It  is called (open) experimentation/Imagination/Theorisation.<p>Tools for thought are no different. Computers/HCI are still in their infancy and these ideas (xanadu\u2026) are just not mature yet. What's the rush?<p>Even already mature paradigms are not easy to popularize in this domain. Take Obsidian. It is really just hyperlinked text files (at the core). Yet, most people, 30 pages after hyperlinks got popular, will fail to comprehend its utility.<p>We are still in the phase of tools of thought where even outliners are a novelty. Try adding a &quot;semantic&quot; DB on top of that outliner, and some will call it &quot;a new fundamental model&quot; [1].<p>My point is : For most (truly) new ideas/methods, it is normal that the manifestation is (ever) out of reach. It is like Charles Babbage reaching for the computer. It was completly out of his reach. Yet, his vision had value for the future.<p>[1] <a href=\"https://tana.inc/#:~:text=This%20is%20proposing%20a%20new%20fundamental%20model%20for%20computing%2C%20a%C2%A0new%20mental%C2%A0model\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/#:~:text=This%20is%20proposing%20a%20new%20...</a>\n."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Unbundling Tools for Thought"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://borretti.me/article/unbundling-tools-for-thought"}},"_tags":["comment","author_LunarAurora","story_34137751"],"author":"LunarAurora","comment_text":"I don&#x27;t agree.<p>Academics (and &quot;Hackers&quot;&#x2F;Visionaries) in every field are doing the same thing every day. It  is called (open) experimentation&#x2F;Imagination&#x2F;Theorisation.<p>Tools for thought are no different. Computers&#x2F;HCI are still in their infancy and these ideas (xanadu\u2026) are just not mature yet. What&#x27;s the rush?<p>Even already mature paradigms are not easy to popularize in this domain. Take Obsidian. It is really just hyperlinked text files (at the core). Yet, most people, 30 pages after hyperlinks got popular, will fail to comprehend its utility.<p>We are still in the phase of tools of thought where even outliners are a novelty. Try adding a &quot;semantic&quot; DB on top of that outliner, and some will call it &quot;a new fundamental model&quot; [1].<p>My point is : For most (truly) new ideas&#x2F;methods, it is normal that the manifestation is (ever) out of reach. It is like Charles Babbage reaching for the computer. It was completly out of his reach. Yet, his vision had value for the future.<p>[1] <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;#:~:text=This%20is%20proposing%20a%20new%20fundamental%20model%20for%20computing%2C%20a%C2%A0new%20mental%C2%A0model\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;#:~:text=This%20is%20proposing%20a%20new%20...</a>\n.","created_at":"2022-12-27T00:49:11Z","created_at_i":1672102151,"objectID":"34143629","parent_id":34139589,"story_id":34137751,"story_title":"Unbundling Tools for Thought","story_url":"https://borretti.me/article/unbundling-tools-for-thought","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:51:18Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"gardenfelder"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"<a href=\"https://help.tana.inc/getting-started-and-overview/introduction-to-supertags.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://help.<em>tana.inc</em>/getting-started-and-overview/introduct...</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Digital Gardening in Obsidian"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://bytes.zone/posts/digital-gardening-in-obsidian/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_gardenfelder","story_34137703"],"author":"gardenfelder","comment_text":"<a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.tana.inc&#x2F;getting-started-and-overview&#x2F;introduction-to-supertags.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.tana.inc&#x2F;getting-started-and-overview&#x2F;introduct...</a>","created_at":"2022-12-26T17:12:35Z","created_at_i":1672074755,"objectID":"34139542","parent_id":34139052,"story_id":34137703,"story_title":"Digital Gardening in Obsidian","story_url":"https://bytes.zone/posts/digital-gardening-in-obsidian/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:50:51Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"CrypticShift"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"I used Scrivener more like a generic [Outliner + DB] combo than a tool for long form writing.<p>IMO combining outlining and databases could be powerful if fully exploited (research...).<p>I truly consider Keith Blount to be a &quot;hero&quot; in the sense that he offered this power for all writers out there (at a reasonable price.)<p>---<p>FYI, Other outliner+DB beasts include the &quot;<i>overlooked for way too long</i>&quot; Infoqube [0] and the &quot;<i>probably soon to be a rising star</i>&quot; Tana [1].<p>[0] <a href=\"https://www.infoqube.biz/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://www.infoqube.biz/</a><p>[1] <a href=\"https://tana.inc/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Interview with Keith Blount, Creator of Scrivener"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://syntopikon.substack.com/p/an-interview-with-keith-blount"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CrypticShift","story_33756171"],"author":"CrypticShift","children":[33766776],"comment_text":"I used Scrivener more like a generic [Outliner + DB] combo than a tool for long form writing.<p>IMO combining outlining and databases could be powerful if fully exploited (research...).<p>I truly consider Keith Blount to be a &quot;hero&quot; in the sense that he offered this power for all writers out there (at a reasonable price.)<p>---<p>FYI, Other outliner+DB beasts include the &quot;<i>overlooked for way too long</i>&quot; Infoqube [0] and the &quot;<i>probably soon to be a rising star</i>&quot; Tana [1].<p>[0] <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infoqube.biz&#x2F;\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infoqube.biz&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href=\"https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tana.inc&#x2F;</a>","created_at":"2022-11-26T21:29:31Z","created_at_i":1669498171,"objectID":"33756956","parent_id":33756171,"story_id":33756171,"story_title":"Interview with Keith Blount, Creator of Scrivener","story_url":"https://syntopikon.substack.com/p/an-interview-with-keith-blount","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:38:23Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"CrypticShift"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["tana",".","inc"],"value":"If you mean databases as in a &quot;Personal Information System&quot; (notes, tasks, catalogs, etc.), I use Grist and Tana.<p>Grist [1] is an &quot;augmented&quot; but still &quot;classic&quot; relational DB builder. It is (kind of) open-source, backed by SQLite, and you can self-host it. I like it because it is user-friendly while also being highly programmable (Python formulas, widget grid) and &quot;data-friendly&quot; (nice filters, Merge imports...)<p>Tana [2] is a less classic kind of DB. The main view is an &quot;advanced&quot; outliner (like Roam). But every line of text could also act as an &quot;universal Form&quot; and a &quot;node&quot; in a semantic graph DB.\nWherever and whenever you type, you can turn your unstructured, freeform blocks of text into &quot;as you go&quot; structured data. This works well for Evergreen-Notes [3], Tasks, Contacts...<p>A bonus : for any kind of references (and not just citations), Zotero is very flexible. As local/opensource personal DBs go, it is a solid bookmark manager and pdfs-annotations store.<p>[1] <a href=\"https://www.getgrist.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://www.getgrist.com/</a>\n[2] <a href=\"https://tana.inc/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://<em>tana.inc</em>/</a>\n[3] <a href=\"https://maggieappleton.com/evergreens\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://maggieappleton.com/evergreens</a>"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: What do you use for a personal database?"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CrypticShift","story_33627988"],"author":"CrypticShift","comment_text":"If you mean databases as in a &quot;Personal Information System&quot; (notes, tasks, catalogs, etc.), I use Grist and Tana.<p>Grist [1] is an &quot;augmented&quot; but still &quot;classic&quot; relational DB builder. It is (kind of) open-source, backed by SQLite, and you can self-host it. I like it because it is user-friendly while also being highly programmable (Python formulas, widget grid) and &quot;data-friendly&quot; (nice filters, Merge imports...)<p>Tana [2] is a less classic kind of DB. The main view is an &quot;advanced&quot; outliner (like Roam). But every line of text could also act as an &quot;universal Form&quot; and a &quot;node&quot; in a semantic graph DB.\nWherever and whenever you type, you can turn your unstructured, freeform blocks of text into &quot;as you go&quot; structured data. This works well for Evergreen-Notes [3], Tasks, Contacts...<p>A bonus : for any kind of references (and not just citations), Zotero is very flexible. 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