It's not really "introspection" or "Cogito, ergo sum", but I found that over tens of millions of tokens of iterations the system was able to create something novel. I am showing off one of the dashboards it created based on the deep research and Python modelling conducted:
https://ai-capex-sens-wxc4b.ondigitalocean.app/
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TLDR; AI hype is one thing, but how else would you actually go pedal to the metal spending the GDP of a middle income country on new AI data centers? Basically, theres hundreds of billions of dollars in cloud business from enterprise contracts, boring IT stuff but its where a lot of the money in tech comes from and its real. Beyond the pontification about superintelligence is a similar reality for AI in the eyes of the hyperscalers that scaled the cloud business in the past, hundreds of billions to trillions in business from enterprise contracts (cloud replaced on-prem servers, AI replaces or augments knowledge workers).
The model estimates AI revenue from automatable knowledge-work spend, stress it with adoption/pricing assumptions, and run it against capex + operating + financing costs under delays/shocks. In the base case, it doesn\u2019t break even by 2032, but of course there's other sources of revenue so this isn't all that doomer or surprising that its risky to spend so much. However, its nice to have numbers and sensitivity to back that conclusion up instead of hand waving it.
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There's been a lot of AI mania over vibe coding, but the main conclusion I got from running this harness is we can in fact use AI harnesses to simply think and make better decisions too. In this case, the AI is reducing the burden of injecting rigor into writing and decision making."},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: AI models AI capex"},"url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://ai-capex-sens-wxc4b.ondigitalocean.app/"}},"_tags":["story","author_liujjw","story_47484145","show_hn"],"author":"liujjw","created_at":"2026-03-23T00:54:08Z","created_at_i":1774227248,"num_comments":0,"objectID":"47484145","points":2,"story_id":47484145,"story_text":"Bernie interviewed Claude recently (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3AtWdeu_G0). The one-shotted responses were predictably a little sycophantic, but some responses were a little surprising. Made me think I'm kinda doing something similar in a more permissive timeframe, I have a harness over Claude that "persistently" studies AI spending, it does deep research, responds to my inputs, persists notes, writes code, etc.
It's not really "introspection" or "Cogito, ergo sum", but I found that over tens of millions of tokens of iterations the system was able to create something novel. I am showing off one of the dashboards it created based on the deep research and Python modelling conducted:
https://ai-capex-sens-wxc4b.ondigitalocean.app/
---
TLDR; AI hype is one thing, but how else would you actually go pedal to the metal spending the GDP of a middle income country on new AI data centers? Basically, theres hundreds of billions of dollars in cloud business from enterprise contracts, boring IT stuff but its where a lot of the money in tech comes from and its real. Beyond the pontification about superintelligence is a similar reality for AI in the eyes of the hyperscalers that scaled the cloud business in the past, hundreds of billions to trillions in business from enterprise contracts (cloud replaced on-prem servers, AI replaces or augments knowledge workers).
The model estimates AI revenue from automatable knowledge-work spend, stress it with adoption/pricing assumptions, and run it against capex + operating + financing costs under delays/shocks. In the base case, it doesn\u2019t break even by 2032, but of course there's other sources of revenue so this isn't all that doomer or surprising that its risky to spend so much. However, its nice to have numbers and sensitivity to back that conclusion up instead of hand waving it.
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There's been a lot of AI mania over vibe coding, but the main conclusion I got from running this harness is we can in fact use AI harnesses to simply think and make better decisions too. In this case, the AI is reducing the burden of injecting rigor into writing and decision making.","title":"Show HN: AI models AI capex","updated_at":"2026-03-24T00:39:55Z","url":"https://ai-capex-sens-wxc4b.ondigitalocean.app/"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"efficax"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"Tried this out on my ThreadRipper:
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5975WX \u2014 32 cores / 64 threads, Zen3 (znver3), AVX2+FMA (no AVX-512/VNNI), 128GB RAM, Kingston SKC3000D 4TB NVMe (PCIe4). Disk gets around 7GB/s. It took a little tuning (for example pinning to 32 physical cores instead of the 64 threads), but with that and --topp 0.7, got 0.44 tok/s on a cold start. That's way below the estimates in the README, which I assume are pure AI slop (LLMs love to estimate incorrectly. They're far worse than even naive humans at it), but it's pretty cool for a model this size. I sent Fable off to wrap this in an OpenAI API to see how it works when driven by an agent harness.
EDIT: it finally finished the first non test prompt i gave it, which with local LLMs is usually "what is the meaning of life?" (who knows, maybe one of them will finally answer). It got stuck in a loop, which is not encouraging, so there's a lot of work to do to make this a viable local coding tool:
> The meaning of life is one of the oldest and greatest questions in human history, yet strangely, there is no single, universally agreed-upon answer. Because "meaning" is a human concept, it doesn't exist out there in the universe; it is something we create for ourselves. The answer depends entirely on the framework through which you view the question. Here are the most common ways to answer it. The meaning of life is the meaning you give to it. We are all in the same position: humanity's search for it never ends in "to be determined" or "to be announced" (TBA, the answer is unknown, and it is a great mystery, or perhaps even the answer "forty-two" (42) is the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (where the number 42 is the "Answer" in Python's language, but we don't know the "Ultimate Question"). Here is a joke that works under the frame of "A..." (any answer): "A clean desk is a..." (42 is a "portmanteau" of words and just a great big "Ad..." (Ad-100) and "A&d" (100)). Life is a deep and strange and we search for meaning in it. "I think, therefore,..." (Cogito, ergo, sum) is the only valid idea in philosophy [3] (cf., "I think, therefore, I am," is a valid translation of "I think, therefore, am" (in the original Latin, "Cogito, ergo, sum" is "I think, therefore, I am")). So, the meaning of life is a bit like "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a [riddle]..." (G. K. Chesterton) and inside a [block of] "42" (or the number of dimensions, which is the "Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything" in the "H2G2" (H2G2 is the "Ultimate Question of Life, the universe, and everything")). The "H2G2" is a "puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma" (cf. [3]). We are all in the same position, but we all have to give it a meaning. our own meaning. The meaning of life is what you make of it. The meaning of life is to live for the greater good. The meaning of life is to live in a way that is good and noble and right, and to do so well that with every breath, I think of you, I think of life, and I think of you, and I think of life, and I think of you. (cf. [3]) If life in the universe is a "great question," the answer is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning you make it. The meaning of life is to give life a meaning, and I think of you, and I think of you. So, the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything is: 42. The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. This is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything (or "The Answer" for short). It is the Answer to "the" Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. (See, for example, the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.) This is the answer to the Ultimate Question. This is the Answer. (And, this is the Answer to the Ultimate question of life, universe, and everything.) The meaning of life is the meaning you give to it. The meaning of life is to give it a meaning. The meaning of life is the meaning you give it. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. (This is a list of the possible meanings of the universe of life. It's a list of the most common and accepted answers. "What is the meaning of life?" The answer is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The answer is 42.) (See also: [3] for a list of possible meanings.) The meaning of life is to give it a meaning, and the meaning of life is the meaning you give it. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. (This is the answer to the Ultimate Question of life, the universe, and everything.) (This is the answer to the Ultimate Question.) The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is 42. (See also: [3]) (The answer to the Ultimat"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Show HN: Getting GLM 5.2 running on my slow computer"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri"}},"_tags":["comment","author_efficax","story_48842459"],"author":"efficax","children":[48858441,48872088],"comment_text":"Tried this out on my ThreadRipper:
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5975WX \u2014 32 cores / 64 threads, Zen3 (znver3), AVX2+FMA (no AVX-512/VNNI), 128GB RAM, Kingston SKC3000D 4TB NVMe (PCIe4). Disk gets around 7GB/s. It took a little tuning (for example pinning to 32 physical cores instead of the 64 threads), but with that and --topp 0.7, got 0.44 tok/s on a cold start. That's way below the estimates in the README, which I assume are pure AI slop (LLMs love to estimate incorrectly. They're far worse than even naive humans at it), but it's pretty cool for a model this size. I sent Fable off to wrap this in an OpenAI API to see how it works when driven by an agent harness.
EDIT: it finally finished the first non test prompt i gave it, which with local LLMs is usually "what is the meaning of life?" (who knows, maybe one of them will finally answer). It got stuck in a loop, which is not encouraging, so there's a lot of work to do to make this a viable local coding tool:
> The meaning of life is one of the oldest and greatest questions in human history, yet strangely, there is no single, universally agreed-upon answer. Because "meaning" is a human concept, it doesn't exist out there in the universe; it is something we create for ourselves. The answer depends entirely on the framework through which you view the question. Here are the most common ways to answer it. The meaning of life is the meaning you give to it. We are all in the same position: humanity's search for it never ends in "to be determined" or "to be announced" (TBA, the answer is unknown, and it is a great mystery, or perhaps even the answer "forty-two" (42) is the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (where the number 42 is the "Answer" in Python's language, but we don't know the "Ultimate Question"). Here is a joke that works under the frame of "A..." (any answer): "A clean desk is a..." (42 is a "portmanteau" of words and just a great big "Ad..." (Ad-100) and "A&d" (100)). Life is a deep and strange and we search for meaning in it. "I think, therefore,..." (Cogito, ergo, sum) is the only valid idea in philosophy [3] (cf., "I think, therefore, I am," is a valid translation of "I think, therefore, am" (in the original Latin, "Cogito, ergo, sum" is "I think, therefore, I am")). So, the meaning of life is a bit like "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a [riddle]..." (G. K. Chesterton) and inside a [block of] "42" (or the number of dimensions, which is the "Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything" in the "H2G2" (H2G2 is the "Ultimate Question of Life, the universe, and everything")). The "H2G2" is a "puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma" (cf. [3]). We are all in the same position, but we all have to give it a meaning. our own meaning. The meaning of life is what you make of it. The meaning of life is to live for the greater good. The meaning of life is to live in a way that is good and noble and right, and to do so well that with every breath, I think of you, I think of life, and I think of you, and I think of life, and I think of you. (cf. [3]) If life in the universe is a "great question," the answer is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning you make it. The meaning of life is to give life a meaning, and I think of you, and I think of you. So, the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything is: 42. The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. This is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything (or "The Answer" for short). It is the Answer to "the" Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. (See, for example, the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.) This is the answer to the Ultimate Question. This is the Answer. (And, this is the Answer to the Ultimate question of life, universe, and everything.) The meaning of life is the meaning you give to it. The meaning of life is to give it a meaning. The meaning of life is the meaning you give it. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. (This is a list of the possible meanings of the universe of life. It's a list of the most common and accepted answers. "What is the meaning of life?" The answer is 42. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The answer is 42.) (See also: [3] for a list of possible meanings.) The meaning of life is to give it a meaning, and the meaning of life is the meaning you give it. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is the meaning of life. (This is the answer to the Ultimate Question of life, the universe, and everything.) (This is the answer to the Ultimate Question.) The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is 42. The meaning of life is 42. (See also: [3]) (The answer to the Ultimat","created_at":"2026-07-10T11:18:58Z","created_at_i":1783682338,"objectID":"48858401","parent_id":48842459,"story_id":48842459,"story_title":"Show HN: Getting GLM 5.2 running on my slow computer","story_url":"https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri","updated_at":"2026-07-13T18:21:45Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"> was instead a social shaming that cut so deep that the message you wrote is still burned verbatim into their memory after all these years?
Maybe that was the point?"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Large language models reduce public knowledge sharing on online Q&A platforms"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/9/pgae400/7754871"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_41827043"],"author":"CogitoCogito","children":[41831993],"comment_text":"> was instead a social shaming that cut so deep that the message you wrote is still burned verbatim into their memory after all these years?
Maybe that was the point?","created_at":"2024-10-13T18:05:11Z","created_at_i":1728842711,"objectID":"41830119","parent_id":41829668,"story_id":41827043,"story_title":"Large language models reduce public knowledge sharing on online Q&A platforms","story_url":"https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/9/pgae400/7754871","updated_at":"2024-10-13T21:53:00Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":true,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"Cogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"Just FYI, for those who aren't neck deep in python land all the time, python is going through a bit of a packaging, environment, and dependency management explosion at the moment.
Lots of competing ideas and implementations are being thrown around, though probably not as bad as when javascript went through the same process. There is definitely a large benefit to seeing how things like rust have handled this space.
Anyway, poetry is part of this explosion, but is one of the relatively better known and widely distributed options, so much so that for anyone on-the-inside it probably seems obvious."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Freetar \u2013 an alternative front end for ultimate-guitar.com"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://github.com/kmille/freetar"}},"_tags":["comment","author_Cogito","story_38457556"],"author":"Cogito","comment_text":"Just FYI, for those who aren't neck deep in python land all the time, python is going through a bit of a packaging, environment, and dependency management explosion at the moment.
Lots of competing ideas and implementations are being thrown around, though probably not as bad as when javascript went through the same process. There is definitely a large benefit to seeing how things like rust have handled this space.
Anyway, poetry is part of this explosion, but is one of the relatively better known and widely distributed options, so much so that for anyone on-the-inside it probably seems obvious.","created_at":"2023-11-30T01:30:50Z","created_at_i":1701307850,"objectID":"38468039","parent_id":38464902,"story_id":38457556,"story_title":"Freetar \u2013 an alternative front end for ultimate-guitar.com","story_url":"https://github.com/kmille/freetar","updated_at":"2024-09-20T15:50:50Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"aeonik"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"This was the conclusion of Ren\u00e9 Descartes and the meaning behind "I think, therefore I am". It was the only safe conclusion he could come to after a deep series of introspection.
Once he got there, he systematically built up a new framework of thought and reasoning, and we got modern science and philosophy from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito%2C_ergo_sum?wprov=sfla1"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The death of a public intellectual"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://thmsmlr.com/public-intellectuals"}},"_tags":["comment","author_aeonik","story_38065779"],"author":"aeonik","comment_text":"This was the conclusion of Ren\u00e9 Descartes and the meaning behind "I think, therefore I am". It was the only safe conclusion he could come to after a deep series of introspection.
Once he got there, he systematically built up a new framework of thought and reasoning, and we got modern science and philosophy from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito%2C_ergo_sum?wprov=sfla1","created_at":"2023-10-30T10:56:55Z","created_at_i":1698663415,"objectID":"38067861","parent_id":38066727,"story_id":38065779,"story_title":"The death of a public intellectual","story_url":"https://thmsmlr.com/public-intellectuals","updated_at":"2024-09-20T15:30:22Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"joak"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"As I understand consciousness is the ability of perceiving our own thoughts.
This seems to us very important because thanks to this ability we are aware of thinking, of existing, of being a self. Ref: Descartes' cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I am.
We have no idea of how the brain does that. It's mind boggling (pun intended). Chalmers say it's "the hard problem of consciousness".
However for a computer this is a piece of cake. Activity Monitor does that super easily. And debuggers go very deep inside the 'thought' process. You can even run a debugger on itself without sweating too much.
To fly we definitely don't need to imitate birds. For consciousness we don't need to imitate humain brains.
Maybe you disagree about the definition of consciousness and want to make it something akin of a soul. However it's hard to deny that we have no idea how the brain's equivalent of Activity Monitor is 'implemented'."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Classifying Minds"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/classifying-minds.html"}},"_tags":["comment","author_joak","story_33678381"],"author":"joak","comment_text":"As I understand consciousness is the ability of perceiving our own thoughts.
This seems to us very important because thanks to this ability we are aware of thinking, of existing, of being a self. Ref: Descartes' cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I am.
We have no idea of how the brain does that. It's mind boggling (pun intended). Chalmers say it's "the hard problem of consciousness".
However for a computer this is a piece of cake. Activity Monitor does that super easily. And debuggers go very deep inside the 'thought' process. You can even run a debugger on itself without sweating too much.
To fly we definitely don't need to imitate birds. For consciousness we don't need to imitate humain brains.
Maybe you disagree about the definition of consciousness and want to make it something akin of a soul. However it's hard to deny that we have no idea how the brain's equivalent of Activity Monitor is 'implemented'.","created_at":"2022-11-21T22:28:56Z","created_at_i":1669069736,"objectID":"33698997","parent_id":33678381,"story_id":33678381,"story_title":"Classifying Minds","story_url":"https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/classifying-minds.html","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:44:27Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"This post isn't really that deep. The writer's discovery of the real nature of math is in line with essentially all disciplines. Things are usually presented as more rigid to make learning easier, but in all fields of research the lines are much more blurred.
But yeah sure it's good that more people understand this. When I used to teach math to university students, this true nature of math is something I always tried to get across. Students would tend to fight this by nature (possibly because they feel more comfortable in a world where mathematical "laws" truly are laws), but I usually pushed back since I thought the insight was important. I'm not entirely sure it was though."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The dirty secret of mathematics: We make it up as we go along (2018)"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://medium.com/q-e-d/the-dirty-secret-of-mathematics-we-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-e79b7a696174"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_32833610"],"author":"CogitoCogito","comment_text":"This post isn't really that deep. The writer's discovery of the real nature of math is in line with essentially all disciplines. Things are usually presented as more rigid to make learning easier, but in all fields of research the lines are much more blurred.
But yeah sure it's good that more people understand this. When I used to teach math to university students, this true nature of math is something I always tried to get across. Students would tend to fight this by nature (possibly because they feel more comfortable in a world where mathematical "laws" truly are laws), but I usually pushed back since I thought the insight was important. I'm not entirely sure it was though.","created_at":"2022-09-17T08:52:20Z","created_at_i":1663404740,"objectID":"32875912","parent_id":32833610,"story_id":32833610,"story_title":"The dirty secret of mathematics: We make it up as we go along (2018)","story_url":"https://medium.com/q-e-d/the-dirty-secret-of-mathematics-we-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-e79b7a696174","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:05:29Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"You don\u2019t seem to understand basic math or finance. It\u2019s true that interest is compounding. Any educated person knows that. And any educated person also knows that inflation is compounding as well.
Ignoring inflation is total idiocy. Otherwise you might as well just push the government to add a zero to every denomination. Then there are more dollars in circulation and you don\u2019t need to wait a century.
> If you want to introduce inflation, then I will increase interest rates to counter it
Your \u201cargument\u201d is basically \u201cI will make up numbers and conditions to match the desired imaginary future I want to see.\u201d You truly are a deep thinker."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"The Grim Secret of Nordic Happiness: Reasonable Expectations"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/finland-happiness-lagom-hygge.html"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_32766511"],"author":"CogitoCogito","children":[32782737],"comment_text":"You don\u2019t seem to understand basic math or finance. It\u2019s true that interest is compounding. Any educated person knows that. And any educated person also knows that inflation is compounding as well.
Ignoring inflation is total idiocy. Otherwise you might as well just push the government to add a zero to every denomination. Then there are more dollars in circulation and you don\u2019t need to wait a century.
> If you want to introduce inflation, then I will increase interest rates to counter it
Your \u201cargument\u201d is basically \u201cI will make up numbers and conditions to match the desired imaginary future I want to see.\u201d You truly are a deep thinker.","created_at":"2022-09-09T17:43:08Z","created_at_i":1662745388,"objectID":"32782482","parent_id":32781334,"story_id":32766511,"story_title":"The Grim Secret of Nordic Happiness: Reasonable Expectations","story_url":"https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/finland-happiness-lagom-hygge.html","updated_at":"2024-09-20T12:05:04Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"_nub3"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"it doesnt work that way. you have that copy of your "consciousness" as long as you are awake. when being in deep sleep - opposed to REM phases where brain waves are measurable, or when highly dosed with narcotics such as for heavy surgery you (in the sense of your consciousness) do not exist anymore - no brainwaves. when you wake up, to be precise when you enter REM phases, your mind slowly boots up again. awake, you're reaching out to you assets, read memories, and cross checking references allows you to re-establish confidence who you are.
think of firefox. you start it and it "lives" in the memory of the computer. however, turned off it is gone. the process is eliminated and purged from memory. when restarted, however, it remembers your browser history, sessions and passwords. still it is a new process.
basically this is what happens each night when we sleep. every morning a new you wakes up.
so when a cloned asset of cross linked (aka relational) memories is spinned up, the resulting process does not have a distinct possibility to determine if it is being cloned. it just have it same associative pathways in its wetware as the original. yet it will believe being the original and also act accordingly. when you ask outsiders who know you, they wont be able to make out a difference, and label the clone as original. the clone (depending on the age of the information) will also believe it is original as it knows your passwords, your mental setup (and lives by that because of reasons) and it remembers whatever has happened to you, too.
this can only mean one thing: our so called consciousness is a fake conclusion. yes, cogito ergo sum, but only for the moment. new day, new me."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Teletransportation Paradox"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox"}},"_tags":["comment","author__nub3","story_28559571"],"author":"_nub3","children":[28581125,28582242],"comment_text":"it doesnt work that way. you have that copy of your "consciousness" as long as you are awake. when being in deep sleep - opposed to REM phases where brain waves are measurable, or when highly dosed with narcotics such as for heavy surgery you (in the sense of your consciousness) do not exist anymore - no brainwaves. when you wake up, to be precise when you enter REM phases, your mind slowly boots up again. awake, you're reaching out to you assets, read memories, and cross checking references allows you to re-establish confidence who you are.
think of firefox. you start it and it "lives" in the memory of the computer. however, turned off it is gone. the process is eliminated and purged from memory. when restarted, however, it remembers your browser history, sessions and passwords. still it is a new process.
basically this is what happens each night when we sleep. every morning a new you wakes up.
so when a cloned asset of cross linked (aka relational) memories is spinned up, the resulting process does not have a distinct possibility to determine if it is being cloned. it just have it same associative pathways in its wetware as the original. yet it will believe being the original and also act accordingly. when you ask outsiders who know you, they wont be able to make out a difference, and label the clone as original. the clone (depending on the age of the information) will also believe it is original as it knows your passwords, your mental setup (and lives by that because of reasons) and it remembers whatever has happened to you, too.
this can only mean one thing: our so called consciousness is a fake conclusion. yes, cogito ergo sum, but only for the moment. new day, new me.","created_at":"2021-09-19T01:04:45Z","created_at_i":1632013485,"objectID":"28580779","parent_id":28561248,"story_id":28559571,"story_title":"Teletransportation Paradox","story_url":"https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox","updated_at":"2024-09-20T09:29:47Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"> They will easily raise more money via debt or equity financing. There is no way they just collapse into bankruptcy.
> This article seems to dismiss how deep and liquid capital markets are today and easy it is to raise capital with even a sniff of cash flow..
I find it hard to share your optimisim in how easy it will be for them to raise more money. Regardless, my thought experiment was _if_ they go bankrupt, what happens then..."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"End of the Line for Uber"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/659150190242054144/end-of-the-line-for-uber"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_28209286"],"author":"CogitoCogito","comment_text":"> They will easily raise more money via debt or equity financing. There is no way they just collapse into bankruptcy.
> This article seems to dismiss how deep and liquid capital markets are today and easy it is to raise capital with even a sniff of cash flow..
I find it hard to share your optimisim in how easy it will be for them to raise more money. Regardless, my thought experiment was _if_ they go bankrupt, what happens then...","created_at":"2021-08-17T13:43:32Z","created_at_i":1629207812,"objectID":"28209747","parent_id":28209709,"story_id":28209286,"story_title":"End of the Line for Uber","story_url":"https://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/659150190242054144/end-of-the-line-for-uber","updated_at":"2024-09-20T09:11:30Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":true,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"Cogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"I'm not sure if this view undersells aero or rocket engineers more.
Rocket engineering uses an immense amount of both modelling and physical testing. No-one says "Well I've got the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, so let's go to the moon!"
I'm not even sure what the bar of 'understanding' is here - the fact that we have iterated and improved on powered flight as much as we have necessarily means that we understand it on a deep level, let alone the fact that we can create excellent models that predict what will happen to a wing in different situations.
At what point would you say we do understand flight?"},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Why we don\u2019t understand heavier-than-air flight"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2021/04/08/heres-why-we-dont-understand-heavier-than-air-flight/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_Cogito","story_27639869"],"author":"Cogito","comment_text":"I'm not sure if this view undersells aero or rocket engineers more.
Rocket engineering uses an immense amount of both modelling and physical testing. No-one says "Well I've got the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, so let's go to the moon!"
I'm not even sure what the bar of 'understanding' is here - the fact that we have iterated and improved on powered flight as much as we have necessarily means that we understand it on a deep level, let alone the fact that we can create excellent models that predict what will happen to a wing in different situations.
At what point would you say we do understand flight?","created_at":"2021-06-26T11:02:54Z","created_at_i":1624705374,"objectID":"27640871","parent_id":27640399,"story_id":27639869,"story_title":"Why we don\u2019t understand heavier-than-air flight","story_url":"https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2021/04/08/heres-why-we-dont-understand-heavier-than-air-flight/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T08:53:06Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"> They are not going to give up their only deep water port on the Black Sea. It\u2019s paramount to their territorial defense/integrity. We, the US, pretend we don't know this.
Russia could cede it under the condition that they were allowed continued use of the port."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Russia to U.S. -Lift sanctions on space sector or we'll exit space station"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-us-lift-sanctions-space-sector-or-well-exit-space-station-2021-06-07/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_27434361"],"author":"CogitoCogito","comment_text":"> They are not going to give up their only deep water port on the Black Sea. It\u2019s paramount to their territorial defense/integrity. We, the US, pretend we don't know this.
Russia could cede it under the condition that they were allowed continued use of the port.","created_at":"2021-06-08T19:40:42Z","created_at_i":1623181242,"objectID":"27439808","parent_id":27435327,"story_id":27434361,"story_title":"Russia to U.S. -Lift sanctions on space sector or we'll exit space station","story_url":"https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-us-lift-sanctions-space-sector-or-well-exit-space-station-2021-06-07/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T08:43:42Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"posterboy"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"> > I think most people don't have the deep suspicion that everything they may know might be wrong, somehow, and that the phenomena they experience may be explainable in a parallel way that better describes things
> I've always wondered why it's such a majority that don't have these suspicions
This is entirely pejorative.
First of all, the premisses is a contradiction in terms. If knowing with certainty is a matter of definition, then doubt about it is expressly excluded. You can go down the slippery slope and deny objectivity all together to arrive at the quote popularly attributed to Sokrates, and develop platonic ideals to finally hold it with Descartes idealizing yourself, cogito ergo sum.
Yet, we fundamentally can't know what others think and feel. If we can only take a best guess, and converse to peek and poke for improving the estimate, then that's what philosophy really means in the all daily sense, our "company philosophy" and such like. It generalizes well either way, whether anthropomorphizing the environment, or objectifying people, if we always can only project from the self onto others. And esteem is actually a good analogue to philos!
Still, a notable duality remains in my philosophy above. The point I'm trying to make is, I guess, that I will have to keep that formyself and leave yours to you, because ambivalence is a feature, and a bug."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"What Is Philosophy? A survey of some answers"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://1000wordphilosophy.com/2020/10/10/philosophy/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_posterboy","story_24793342"],"author":"posterboy","comment_text":"> > I think most people don't have the deep suspicion that everything they may know might be wrong, somehow, and that the phenomena they experience may be explainable in a parallel way that better describes things
> I've always wondered why it's such a majority that don't have these suspicions
This is entirely pejorative.
First of all, the premisses is a contradiction in terms. If knowing with certainty is a matter of definition, then doubt about it is expressly excluded. You can go down the slippery slope and deny objectivity all together to arrive at the quote popularly attributed to Sokrates, and develop platonic ideals to finally hold it with Descartes idealizing yourself, cogito ergo sum.
Yet, we fundamentally can't know what others think and feel. If we can only take a best guess, and converse to peek and poke for improving the estimate, then that's what philosophy really means in the all daily sense, our "company philosophy" and such like. It generalizes well either way, whether anthropomorphizing the environment, or objectifying people, if we always can only project from the self onto others. And esteem is actually a good analogue to philos!
Still, a notable duality remains in my philosophy above. The point I'm trying to make is, I guess, that I will have to keep that formyself and leave yours to you, because ambivalence is a feature, and a bug.","created_at":"2020-10-17T07:51:15Z","created_at_i":1602921075,"objectID":"24808230","parent_id":24806901,"story_id":24793342,"story_title":"What Is Philosophy? A survey of some answers","story_url":"https://1000wordphilosophy.com/2020/10/10/philosophy/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T07:04:43Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"To be fair, is this a big deal statistically? I have surfed for a very long time and I've never heard of this. Am I just ignorant and this is not uncommon (presumably in areas/conditions I don't surf in)? Or is this just some sort of freak occurrence? Unless this is much more common than I believe I think we really should just file this under "really bad luck" and move on and focus on the more statistically dangerous problems surfing.
I mean I guess we can all think to ourselves "deep foam can be a dangerous", but I wonder if anyone given that message would ever end up saved by it given how unusual (my assumption) it is."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Five surfers drown in the Netherlands, getting into 'avalanche-like' sea foam"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://www.foxnews.com/world/netherlands-surfer-deaths-severe-weather-storm-sea-foam-the-hague"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_23161882"],"author":"CogitoCogito","children":[23169956],"comment_text":"To be fair, is this a big deal statistically? I have surfed for a very long time and I've never heard of this. Am I just ignorant and this is not uncommon (presumably in areas/conditions I don't surf in)? Or is this just some sort of freak occurrence? Unless this is much more common than I believe I think we really should just file this under "really bad luck" and move on and focus on the more statistically dangerous problems surfing.
I mean I guess we can all think to ourselves "deep foam can be a dangerous", but I wonder if anyone given that message would ever end up saved by it given how unusual (my assumption) it is.","created_at":"2020-05-13T12:13:00Z","created_at_i":1589371980,"objectID":"23166026","parent_id":23164204,"story_id":23161882,"story_title":"Five surfers drown in the Netherlands, getting into 'avalanche-like' sea foam","story_url":"https://www.foxnews.com/world/netherlands-surfer-deaths-severe-weather-storm-sea-foam-the-hague","updated_at":"2024-09-20T06:14:13Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"CogitoCogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"> No. None of the things you mention is actually the issue.
> Diversity: It's not about opinion, but about an authority figure doing things that harm his colleagues. I could have the opinion that you're an idiot and a liar, but if we were working together and I would constantly say that in the workplace where everyone hears, I would probably get fired.
> Inclusiveness: It's not about ostracising, either, certainly not because of some mental disability. If someone harms his coworkers and won't stop, they cannot continue working.
> Fairness: Again, the problem is not opinions but harmful actions. It certainly isn't about conformity. Harming the people you work with is not some sign of genius conducive to creativity.
> I think that too many people are expressing strong opinions on the matter of sexual harassment and sexual assault without having studied the subject at all. Those are opinions based on deep ignorance of the matter.
I don't understand how any of this applies to Stallman. As far as I've gathered, most of the outrage against him are due to a few different posts over the last couple decades. Regardless of how morally reprehensible you think his views are, he's not saying them "constantly" and his actions certainly don't fit "harm his coworkers and won't stop".
Also you say it's about "harmful actions", but what harmful actions has he done? I ask this honestly and would like to know.
edit: Cleaned up the formatting of quotes."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"In Defense of Richard Stallman"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/"}},"_tags":["comment","author_CogitoCogito","story_21113414"],"author":"CogitoCogito","children":[21114280,21114315,21118091],"comment_text":"> No. None of the things you mention is actually the issue.
> Diversity: It's not about opinion, but about an authority figure doing things that harm his colleagues. I could have the opinion that you're an idiot and a liar, but if we were working together and I would constantly say that in the workplace where everyone hears, I would probably get fired.
> Inclusiveness: It's not about ostracising, either, certainly not because of some mental disability. If someone harms his coworkers and won't stop, they cannot continue working.
> Fairness: Again, the problem is not opinions but harmful actions. It certainly isn't about conformity. Harming the people you work with is not some sign of genius conducive to creativity.
> I think that too many people are expressing strong opinions on the matter of sexual harassment and sexual assault without having studied the subject at all. Those are opinions based on deep ignorance of the matter.
I don't understand how any of this applies to Stallman. As far as I've gathered, most of the outrage against him are due to a few different posts over the last couple decades. Regardless of how morally reprehensible you think his views are, he's not saying them "constantly" and his actions certainly don't fit "harm his coworkers and won't stop".
Also you say it's about "harmful actions", but what harmful actions has he done? I ask this honestly and would like to know.
edit: Cleaned up the formatting of quotes.","created_at":"2019-09-30T11:44:06Z","created_at_i":1569843846,"objectID":"21114162","parent_id":21113992,"story_id":21113414,"story_title":"In Defense of Richard Stallman","story_url":"https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/","updated_at":"2024-09-20T04:55:46Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"ltr_"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["deep","cogito"],"value":"here is my story, because it feels really relevant to this subject:
I used to think this way, it was very hard to study or go deep into abstract concepts for long periods, but it is useful to some extend, I was able to get a "decent life as an responsable adult" with this system in my head. you ended learning anything you studied, but I felt uncomfortable, uneasy,tired all the time, full of anxiety in social events of any kind, to the point I got into a deep frustration and depression that leaded to unemployment twice in my life. all because of my internal voice, it can get very uncontrollable, it fools you in to thinking that this voice is the only resource you have in your mind. that the voice is you.
unemployed, with a lot of time in my hand, I started to learn math, specifically,I got into category theory thanks functional programming. the subject just fascinated me. I started a really hard journey ,I got really deep into that rabbit hole, all of this ,with my anxiety at full and my brain in complete chaos. but I continued, even when I couldn't grasp any of the concept explained in the articles and books I read. I just continued mindlessly like a zombie, and at some point I really thought that I was losing my mind. suddenly, one day, watching a video on YouTube about philosophy, I heard the expansion of the famous phrase, cogito, ergo zoom. and everything , from one moment to the next, started to make sense, things like monads, functors, implications of Cartesian products, etc.. were concepts that I could handle naturally, I was being overloaded with new knowledge that seemed to came from nowhere. it was the most exciting feeling I had in my life. I started to see everything different. the reflection of the tangible world in my mind was changed forever.
now, \nI just try to transform everything, every interaction, memory or concept to a category theory diagram in my head. my mental model was altered when I discovered that everything can abstracted to dots and arrows moving around and "zoomed" in and out if you filter the unnecessary noise that comes from your senses and your own brain, which is a lot. once you find a simple system to do that mechanically , it starts to be something like blinking or breathe. you are focused with clear mind, all the time, from the first thoughts in morning to the last one before sleep, is such a fantastic feeling. I started to be very aware of this just few days ago and it feels like magic, I can't control it in full but I truly think I'm someone new."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Speaking to yourself in the third person makes you wiser"},"story_url":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"https://aeon.co/ideas/why-speaking-to-yourself-in-the-third-person-makes-you-wiser"}},"_tags":["comment","author_ltr_","story_20669171"],"author":"ltr_","comment_text":"here is my story, because it feels really relevant to this subject:
I used to think this way, it was very hard to study or go deep into abstract concepts for long periods, but it is useful to some extend, I was able to get a "decent life as an responsable adult" with this system in my head. you ended learning anything you studied, but I felt uncomfortable, uneasy,tired all the time, full of anxiety in social events of any kind, to the point I got into a deep frustration and depression that leaded to unemployment twice in my life. all because of my internal voice, it can get very uncontrollable, it fools you in to thinking that this voice is the only resource you have in your mind. that the voice is you.
unemployed, with a lot of time in my hand, I started to learn math, specifically,I got into category theory thanks functional programming. the subject just fascinated me. I started a really hard journey ,I got really deep into that rabbit hole, all of this ,with my anxiety at full and my brain in complete chaos. but I continued, even when I couldn't grasp any of the concept explained in the articles and books I read. I just continued mindlessly like a zombie, and at some point I really thought that I was losing my mind. suddenly, one day, watching a video on YouTube about philosophy, I heard the expansion of the famous phrase, cogito, ergo zoom. and everything , from one moment to the next, started to make sense, things like monads, functors, implications of Cartesian products, etc.. were concepts that I could handle naturally, I was being overloaded with new knowledge that seemed to came from nowhere. it was the most exciting feeling I had in my life. I started to see everything different. the reflection of the tangible world in my mind was changed forever.
now, \nI just try to transform everything, every interaction, memory or concept to a category theory diagram in my head. my mental model was altered when I discovered that everything can abstracted to dots and arrows moving around and "zoomed" in and out if you filter the unnecessary noise that comes from your senses and your own brain, which is a lot. once you find a simple system to do that mechanically , it starts to be something like blinking or breathe. you are focused with clear mind, all the time, from the first thoughts in morning to the last one before sleep, is such a fantastic feeling. I started to be very aware of this just few days ago and it feels like magic, I can't control it in full but I truly think I'm someone new.","created_at":"2019-08-11T20:22:13Z","created_at_i":1565554933,"objectID":"20670231","parent_id":20669353,"story_id":20669171,"story_title":"Speaking to yourself in the third person makes you wiser","story_url":"https://aeon.co/ideas/why-speaking-to-yourself-in-the-third-person-makes-you-wiser","updated_at":"2024-09-20T04:40:10Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"fullyHighlighted":true,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["cogito"],"value":"Cogito"},"comment_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"partial","matchedWords":["deep"],"value":"I also love Factorio - it gets better when you play multiplayer and with mods.
I've found, getting back into it, that Project Euler really helps me 'just start coding'. Last time I got into it (around 2014) I would focus on trying to understand the mathematics and solving things by hand. Now I look at a problem or two every few days, and have fairly streamlined solving them.
Breaking the problem into chunks, making sure those chunks work with tests, gluing the chunks together to get the fact needed by the question, running with the specific input needed for the answer, realising the naive way I implemented the solution is way too slow, adding timing information, analysing the algorithmic complexity, reading pages and pages of mathematical theory...
Sometimes it goes off the deep end, but getting some result almost immediately is so useful.
It's the reason Factorio is fun (you can just build it by hand, most of the time) and Excel is used everywhere (you can see the algorithm and its results together, as you build it). It takes a bit of discipline to do yourself, when the gratification loop isn't built in to the tools you're using, and that's why I think Project Euler is so useful. You get short, achievable programming problems that you can solve quickly and build a habit of solving efficiently."},"story_title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: What are some hacks of real founders who did things that don't scale?"}},"_tags":["comment","author_Cogito","story_18400020"],"author":"Cogito","comment_text":"I also love Factorio - it gets better when you play multiplayer and with mods.
I've found, getting back into it, that Project Euler really helps me 'just start coding'. Last time I got into it (around 2014) I would focus on trying to understand the mathematics and solving things by hand. Now I look at a problem or two every few days, and have fairly streamlined solving them.
Breaking the problem into chunks, making sure those chunks work with tests, gluing the chunks together to get the fact needed by the question, running with the specific input needed for the answer, realising the naive way I implemented the solution is way too slow, adding timing information, analysing the algorithmic complexity, reading pages and pages of mathematical theory...
Sometimes it goes off the deep end, but getting some result almost immediately is so useful.
It's the reason Factorio is fun (you can just build it by hand, most of the time) and Excel is used everywhere (you can see the algorithm and its results together, as you build it). It takes a bit of discipline to do yourself, when the gratification loop isn't built in to the tools you're using, and that's why I think Project Euler is so useful. You get short, achievable programming problems that you can solve quickly and build a habit of solving efficiently.","created_at":"2018-11-11T23:30:04Z","created_at_i":1541979004,"objectID":"18429397","parent_id":18402601,"story_id":18400020,"story_title":"Ask HN: What are some hacks of real founders who did things that don't scale?","updated_at":"2024-09-20T03:17:37Z"}],"hitsPerPage":20,"nbHits":54,"nbPages":3,"page":0,"params":"query=Deep+Cogito&advancedSyntax=true&analyticsTags=backend","processingTimeMS":29,"processingTimingsMS":{"_request":{"queue":3,"roundTrip":16},"afterFetch":{"format":{"highlighting":4,"total":4},"merge":{"mergeLoop":{"prepareNextHit":15,"total":15},"total":16},"total":16},"fetch":{"query":10,"scanning":1,"total":12},"total":29},"query":"Deep Cogito","serverTimeMS":38}