How?","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T15:38:59.000Z","created_at_i":1788363539,"id":49537936,"options":[],"parent_id":49537714,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"What's surprising about this is that you can get the bullshit machine to produce correct externally validate citations. It's not particularly hard either\u2014it's one of the first things you build when you give an LLM access to a body of documents/search. So for a large public service to whiff like this is certainly a stain on their credibility.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T15:24:39.000Z","created_at_i":1788362679,"id":49537714,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"BS machine produces BS; in other news water is wet and sky is blue.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"motbus3","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T15:38:05.000Z","created_at_i":1788363485,"id":49537927,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"I felt that myself.\n And I have the same problem with gemini","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"betree","children":[{"author":"automatic6131","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:24:27.000Z","created_at_i":1788366267,"id":49538616,"options":[],"parent_id":49538234,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":">The intent is good, but it seems they're still in the "fake it until you make it" stage
Please notice the internal contradictions here.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"vikramkr","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:52:20.000Z","created_at_i":1788367940,"id":49539063,"options":[],"parent_id":49538234,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"> the intent is good
What is that supposed to mean? They're trying to be an llm search engine that's not some radical new concept","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"hek2sch","children":[{"author":"realsarm","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:55:23.000Z","created_at_i":1788368123,"id":49539099,"options":[],"parent_id":49539069,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Yes this paper even tries their enterprise case. Perplexity performs worse. https://arxiv.org/html/2604.17843v1","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:52:36.000Z","created_at_i":1788367956,"id":49539069,"options":[],"parent_id":49538234,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"To be honest perplexity does nothing to make sure it's answer are correct let alone the citations. They just look plausible. For anything little bit serious I use nouswise or nblm that sometimes abstain instead of making things up.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T15:57:46.000Z","created_at_i":1788364666,"id":49538234,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"100% my experience with this service. The intent is good, but it seems they're still in the "fake it until you make it" stage.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"gamblor956","children":[{"author":"ModernMech","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:20:11.000Z","created_at_i":1788366011,"id":49538565,"options":[],"parent_id":49538264,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Even worse than lawyers is the government doing it: https://newrepublic.com/post/215001/judge-rfk-jr-hhs-fake-ai...","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T15:59:47.000Z","created_at_i":1788364787,"id":49538264,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"This is why lawyers have been getting in trouble using AI to review case law or (worse) to generate documents.
It creates citations and references that look close enough to be plausible but are just made up of thin air. CA passed a law explicitly requiring lawyers to review AI-generated documents that is now before the governor for signing (previously, lawyers were ethically expected to review documents submitted to the court or provided to clients but that doesn't have the same level of force as an explicit requirement).","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"abdullahkhalids","children":[{"author":"realsarm","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:54:29.000Z","created_at_i":1788368069,"id":49539087,"options":[],"parent_id":49538277,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"You can just look at nouswise or nblm. They do have such harness behind.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"clickety_clack","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:56:37.000Z","created_at_i":1788368197,"id":49539117,"options":[],"parent_id":49538277,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"That\u2019s what I did when I built my stuff. I have deterministic content with AI commentary, where it seems most people are doing this crazy thing of sending data through the model. I can\u2019t understand it.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"rahimnathwani","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T17:19:41.000Z","created_at_i":1788369581,"id":49539395,"options":[],"parent_id":49538277,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"I did something similar for structured text extraction. I added markers throughout each source document and then, for each piece of info I wanted, I asked the LLM to provide two separate fields:
xyz\n xyz_citation\nNorthern Belgium and the Netherlands have web content in the same language. But google uses the content in one lump. Problem is when you search for employment/fiscal/legal/\u2026 you constantly get content that applies to the wrong nationality.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"taeric","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:37:14.000Z","created_at_i":1788367034,"id":49538817,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"This is true of a ton of online discourse. Worse, when the headline of a claim doesn't even match the article it is fronting. I've seen more than a few articles that basically contradict the headline, but end in a "despite all evidence, we think it is correct to say X."","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"darth_avocado","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T17:02:42.000Z","created_at_i":1788368562,"id":49539210,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"I don\u2019t know if Claude performs similarly from a percentage standpoint, but if you\u2019re using it for search (online or personal docs or wikis), it often also just makes things up.
When you point it out, it\u2019ll do the \u201cohh you\u2019re absolutely right!\u201d bs. Marketing material and management that believes the material wants to pretend that AI agents are junior employees, but forget that junior employees get fired for doing something like this.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"croes","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T17:16:43.000Z","created_at_i":1788369403,"id":49539369,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"It was true even before AI summaries.
The search result showed a paragraph containing the searched word, the website did not","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"eitally","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T17:25:03.000Z","created_at_i":1788369903,"id":49539466,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"This has become a common pattern in my Claude & Gemini usage. Always require citations, then check those citations to validate they actually contain the information/data the LLM's output claims. Claude, in particular, seems to make massive logic jumps and trust tertiary data sources way more than it should.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"ok123456","children":[{"author":"boothby","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:03:50.000Z","created_at_i":1788372230,"id":49540031,"options":[],"parent_id":49539469,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"> No one is happy.
My understanding of Google politics is that the small number of search team members who implemented any given 6-month-old feature will be happy as they will have been promoted away from the team and not responsible for maintenance nor quality.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"ossopite","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:30:09.000Z","created_at_i":1788373809,"id":49540386,"options":[],"parent_id":49539469,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"I'm curious how google think about the damage this does to the perception of the quality of their AI tools. Every second google search I do reinforces the association "google AI is crap" because you can't help but see it there at the top of the page. Surely this perception hurts Gemini adoption across the board?","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T17:25:16.000Z","created_at_i":1788369916,"id":49539469,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Google putting AI search summaries is the worst of all worlds.
You need cheap, fast inference to put on a search results page and finish near the deadline (~3 seconds). Cheap, fast inference is more likely to get stuff wrong. No one is happy.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"epistasis","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:31:42.000Z","created_at_i":1788373902,"id":49540410,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Never believe the citations in Google summaries, I can count on a single hand the time I have found a correct citation.
It's not 2/3 correct, it's <1% correct, in my experience. Maybe it's because I check things that sound off more frequently, but even random checks have not panned out well.
Anybody relying on Google AI summaries is misinforming themselves.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"notahacker","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:52:09.000Z","created_at_i":1788375129,"id":49540693,"options":[],"parent_id":49538388,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Those summaries (and Bing is at least as culpable) are mostly only good for comedy value. Most favourite genre: returns picture of someone you know alongside biography of completely unrelated person. Least favourite genre: useful stat supposedly cited from a linked reliable source (but turns out to actually be a different stat in the reliable source)","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:08:12.000Z","created_at_i":1788365292,"id":49538388,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Same is true of Google search \u201csummaries\u201d where quite often I click on the link provided and it doesn\u2019t support the statement Google made.
BTW, this post would be more convincing if it wasn\u2019t written in Claude voice itself!","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"cmiles8","children":[{"author":"gsumk","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:46:05.000Z","created_at_i":1788367565,"id":49538961,"options":[],"parent_id":49538533,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"That\u2019s what I feel too. From the references in their PDF, a few links are returning 404s, while others don\u2019t even seem relevant to the so-called \u201cresearch.\u201d It is pure AI slop.\n https://hausresearch.com/data/perplexity-citation-audit/perp...","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:17:50.000Z","created_at_i":1788365870,"id":49538533,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"This plus AI just citing AI slop. Theres a real downward spiral unfolding with the quality of information available on the internet.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"asmodeuslucifer","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T16:32:36.000Z","created_at_i":1788366756,"id":49538737,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"That's the one that powers Truth Social
Trump Media and Technology Group announced that it partnered with Perplexity to test and integrate an AI search feature, referred to as Truth Social AI or Truth Search AI, directly into the Truth Social platform.
(I just use the free account from truth+ to waste their money)
how do you reverse a linked list in python
Answers\nSources\nUse either an iterative pointer-reversal approach or a recursive approach. The standard iterative version is the most common and runs in (O(n)) time with (O(1)) extra space:
class ListNode:\n def __init__(self, val=0, next=None):\n self.val = val\n self.next = next
def reverse_list(head):\n prev = None\n curr = head
while curr:\n nxt = curr.next\n curr.next = prev\n prev = curr\n curr = nxt\n\n return prevNow do OpenEvidence :)","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"nightpool","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:36:48.000Z","created_at_i":1788374208,"id":49540466,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"I don't even know if I disagree with this post, but this seems really astroturfed. Why are there two anti-Perplexity articles from independent research firms with identical websites on the front-page of HN right now, submitted by the same person? Am I going crazy?
(see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49536375, left a comment there also)","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"breakpointalpha","children":[{"author":"burningChrome","children":[{"author":"sarkarghya","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:58:37.000Z","created_at_i":1788375517,"id":49540778,"options":[],"parent_id":49540728,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"i am actually curious how they get upvoted though? Are the bots really out of control","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:55:02.000Z","created_at_i":1788375302,"id":49540728,"options":[],"parent_id":49540544,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Is it just me or am I seeing more and more of this stuff happening on HN?","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null},{"author":"hex4def6","children":[{"author":"tecleandor","children":[],"created_at":"2026-09-02T21:49:31.000Z","created_at_i":1788385771,"id":49543035,"options":[],"parent_id":49540841,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"The user that posted this hasn't commented in HN since more than two years ago. Their previous submissions had nothing to do with this (and they were mostly posts from their blog).
Smells like the user has been hacked.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T19:03:36.000Z","created_at_i":1788375816,"id":49540841,"options":[],"parent_id":49540544,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"Agree.
>>Both URLs were registered yesterday!<<
The "Leadership" photos all look the same, with the AI-airbrushed style. Also amazing how they both only have three people. What a coincidence.
I can't find any of the supposed "Leadership" team on Linkedin. Some of them have unusual names, which cut through the hundreds / thousands of results.
It's a worrying how easily this sort of BS is becoming. It takes far more time to debunk it then to create it. Now you could basically script this and have 100 pages by this time tomorrow, with different styles and URLs and leadership teams (along with professional portraits)...
If they'd let the URLs age a bit, and maybe not registered them on the same day, used slightly more common names, and changed the styles, it would have been much harder to definitively debunk.","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T18:41:24.000Z","created_at_i":1788374484,"id":49540544,"options":[],"parent_id":49536201,"points":null,"story_id":49536201,"text":"This article appears to be a coordinated attack on Perplexity.
Also posted today is this HN thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49536375
Containing this link:
https://trellner.com/reports/manufactured-sources-behind-ai-...
Which has the exact same layout and very similar About page as "trellner.com"
https://hausresearch.com/about/
https://trellner.com/about/","title":null,"type":"comment","url":null}],"created_at":"2026-09-02T13:49:23.000Z","created_at_i":1788356963,"id":49536201,"options":[],"parent_id":null,"points":124,"story_id":49536201,"text":null,"title":"A third of Perplexity's citations don't contain the number they're cited for","type":"story","url":"https://hausresearch.com/reports/perplexity-citation-audit/"}